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 Ammunition production in Persia [Iran] 
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When did production of modern small arms ammunition [self contained cartridges] begin in Persia [Iran].
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Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:40 pm
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Terry wrote:
When did production of modern small arms ammunition [self contained cartridges] begin in Persia [Iran].
Terry.

7.62 mm cartriges since 1937 in Teheran Arsenal. Later in Sultanabad (20 km from Teheran).


Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:47 am
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Which 7.62mm cartridge??? Obviously not 7.62 NATO!


Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:13 am
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Not possibly 7.92?


Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:15 pm
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EOD wrote:
Not possibly 7.92?

Sorry. My fault. 7.92 mm


Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:16 pm
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Does anyone know what the headstamp was on the production in these two facilities???


Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:55 pm
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Lew wrote:
Does anyone know what the headstamp was on the production in these two facilities???

If somebody explain me how to place pics here I can provide some ones.


Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:02 pm
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linnet wrote:
If somebody explain me how to place pics here I can provide some ones.

Take photo, and get it on to your computer (that's the hard part)
Make a account at www.photobucket.com
Upload your photo to your photobucket account
"copy and paste" the IMG code string of your photo in to your posting on the forum.


Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:20 pm
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Linnet,

If you will email the photos to me using the "email" button at the bottom of this posting, I will post them.

Cheers,

Lew


Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:29 pm
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It's a pic of Iranian 7.92 mm cartriges from Russian battlefield. On the left made in 1941, probably in Arsenal, another made in 1943, probably in Sultanabad Plant. It's a pic from the magazin "Weapon's World", Moscow, 2005, #12, from Boris Davydov's article "PPSh made in Iran".
The earliest Arsenal (?) stamp I saw was 1938. By the way Iranian year is not from January.
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Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:19 pm
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Has anyone ever seen or heard of Iranian-made 7.62 Tokarev ammo to go with those Iranian-made PPSh SMG's???


Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:13 pm
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I am adding pictures and info to my data base, Persia is still a mystery, but great headstamp photos posted by Linnet
Thanks all Terry.


Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:55 am
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May be of some interest, found a reference to Britain building an Arsenal at Tabriz
for Persia [Iran] in the early 19th century [18??] that produced cannon and shot and later cartridges, so there may be very early Persian headstamps out there somewhere.
Terry.


Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:11 pm
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Well, it seems like there is little solid information on Iranian ammunition production. Ken Elks covered Iran in his book "Ammunition with Arabic Markings," even though the cartridges' markings are normally in Farsi, not Arabic. The alphabet is pretty much the same I am told. There are some number differences, primarily with the digits 4, 5 and 6.

Regarding the ammunition factory at Teheran, the factory probably opened just before or during WWII. Most of the 7.9 x 57mm ammo made earlier has been identified as contracts by companies like Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken A.-G., or Fabrique Nationale d'Armes de Guerre, of Belgium. Dating is tricky, as they used a calender based on the year A.D. 582 until about 1925, when they switched to one base on A.D. 621, In 1926, D.W.M. made a contract run of 9mm Parabellum and of 9mm Kurz for Iran. I have these cartridges and their boxes in my collection. I also have two different years for .45 A.C.P. but no box labels, and I have not yet had the headstamps interpreted. Unfortunately, I lost my Iranian neighbor, who moved away.

As late as 1950, some Iranian ammunition was still made on contract. There was a Belgian contract for 7.9 x 57mm in that year.

According to "Global Security.Org." a factory making small arms and ammunition was established in 1939 at Parchin, and has been in operation since right before WWII. I do not know how to identify any small arms ammunition made by this establishment, however, if indeed, the information is correct.

Today, Iran operates ammunition production under the name of Ammunition Industries Group (AMIG) of the Iranian Defense Industries Organization (IDO). They make, among other things, 5.56 x 45mm, 9 x 19mm, .38, .40 (presumably .40 S&W), .45, 7.62 x 51, 7.62 x 39, 7.62 x 54R and 12.7mm (I don't know if that is the Russian Round or the American .50BMG - it is not stated in my source - "Small Arms Review, Vol. 4 No. 11, August 2001, page 92).

The rifle guys are lucky - some of the Iranian ammo shows up for collectors in Kashnikov and NATO. Don't know about the others. However, the only Iranian-connected 9mm Para I have is the DWM contract of the 1930s, and the same 9mm Kurz and a couple of .45s (one a fired case). I have never seen or even heard of a .40 pistol round with Iranian headstamp showing up.

This doesn't answer much of anything, but it is all I have to offer unless I simply copied verbatim Ken Elks section on Iran. Some of that has me confused, to be honest, as he doesn't really seem to know the meaning of a lot of the headstamp entries, nor do I. I hope it is of some little help and interest, anyway.

One other caution. Many of the "Iranian" 7.9 x 57 Mauser special purpose loads - blanks, dummies, etc., are not of Iranian manufacture or use. they were made on fired or left-over cases by the German firm of Huck after WWII.


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John, Thanks for the effort, I agree as all references I have checked are vague to say the least.
Terry.


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