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Post South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
I acquired a fired South African made 7.62 x 51 Case headstamped "WA 80 7,62 R1M1". What company used the maker's mark "WA"?

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
It is actually a regular PMP "A" headstamp with an added "W". It was added to show some change in manufacturing, the "Walter" process, I believe.

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
Pray tell, what is the "Walter" process??? ( is it the drawing of the case from a wire slug/cupped plug of brass???)

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
I do not know, but I recall it being described as such. I hope someone with full info will post.

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
"W" standing for "Walter process" is a known fact in South Africa. Unfortunately nobody I contacted could tell what that exactly is. Maybe better luck here on the forum.

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
There is a metal drilling and cutting company in Germany, maybe they know?
Walter AG
Derendinger Str. 53
72072 Tübingen
Tel.: +49 (0) 7071-701-0
Fax: +49 (0) 7071-701-212


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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
The information I have is that the Walter process eliminated one stage from the draw process.

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
There are south-african "LA" headstamps existing too. Do somebody know the meaning of the L?
Maybe it's an abbrevation like the W.

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
The L stands for Luther.

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
Do you know the speciality of the Luther process?

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
This all dates from a time when we were fighting a war and most of this type of information was "secret" and even if it was not secret, due to the mind set about security, it was not well known or general knowledge. Although we now have a new government, most of this stuff was developed to kill them & their friends so it is now an embarrassing situation, & still the info has not all come out.

Now that you have the background, what I am writing here cannot be accepted as fact, only as what has been pieced together.

WA = Walter Annex or plant. Another plant was attached to PMP's original plant in Pretoria West, on the same site. Not just another production line, a whole plant. Named after Allen Walter an ex-employee at PMP who developed the Walter process, which cut down the number of draw stages needed to produce a case. I think the plant was named in his honour, but all plants used his process, not just this one, it was just named after him.

LA = Luther Annex or plant. Where the Walter plant was primarily for military production, the Luther plant was more for commercial ammo production, but they did make military ammo when there was a need. Fanie Luther was the chap it was named after, also an ex-employee at PMP. Fanie is an abbreviation of Stefanus. Again, this plant did not do anything special that he developed, only named after him.

Hope this helps

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
Thanks for this information.

NATO Dave


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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
I asked this question in email to friends in RSA some time ago, and the last answer is the one I got, and makes the most sense - a different factory would need to be recorded in some way on the headstamp. It was no real secret that PMP expanded quite a bit from the old "South African Mint" days.

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
@Will: Thanks a lot for this helpful information.

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Post Re: South African "WA" headstamp 7.62 x 51
Since a lot of that 1975-85 7,62 is sold as training ammo for hunters here in Europe, it is good to know how to tell the hs' apart, thanks for the info.
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